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I'm not a scientist however for the past

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thirty nine years I have sought out and

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interviewed former and retired Air Force

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personnel regarding classified UFO

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incidents that they were directly or

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indirectly involved in those incidents

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in large measure were not among the

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files at Project Blue Book that dr.

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McDonald alluded to he felt those

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documents that he did review warranted

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scientific investigation of the

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phenomenon of course as we all know I

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think the vast majority of scientists

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have ignored that plea have continued to

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consider this subject without merit to

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be beneath their dignity to not be worth

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any effort whatsoever in terms of

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scientific inquiry I would simply say

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that although I am NOT a scientist the

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handful of scientists who have studied

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this phenomenon would beg to differ I am

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going to show you a number of documents

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relating to my expertise which is UFO

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incursions at nuclear weapons sites by

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and large the classification level of

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these incidents over the year years

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precluded them being analyzed by dr.

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McDonald or anyone else who did not have

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what is called a need to know about

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these particular incidents next slide

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please

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a federal law called the Freedom of

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Information Act has permitted over the

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last three and a half decades documents

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to the tune of 100,000 pages that I am

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aware of being released from various

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military and intelligence community

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groups within the US government what I'm

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going to show you now our excerpts from

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documents confirming that what we call

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the UFO phenomenon has demonstrated a

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distinct and ongoing interest in this

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nation's nuclear weapons program since

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the late 1940s this first item is an FBI

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memorandum from January 31st for 1949 it

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was sent to director J Edgar Hoover it

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was authored by the si si

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special agent in charge of the San

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Antonio FBI office the subject of the

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memo as you can see is quote protection

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of vital installations next slide please

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the first paragraph which this is an

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excerpt from indicates that in the weeks

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preceding the writing of this memo a

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number of military and civilian

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intelligence groups had met to discuss

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quote the matter of unidentified

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aircraft or unidentified aerial

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phenomena other were otherwise known as

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flying discs flying saucers and balls of

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fire the last sentence in the first

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paragraph was underlined presumably for

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emphasis quote this matter is considered

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top-secret by intelligence officers of

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both the Army and the Air Force's now

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why would this matter a flying saucers

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flying disks be considered top-secret

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next slide please the memo goes on to

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say during the past two months various

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sightings of unexplained phenomena have

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been reported in the vicinity of the

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Atomic Energy Commission installation at

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Los Alamos New Mexico where these

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phenomena appeared to be concentrated

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presumably all of you have heard of Los

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Alamos it is of course the birthplace of

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nuclear weapons that memo again was from

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1949 only four years earlier in 1945 Los

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Alamos invented nuclear weapons a second

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FBI memorandum from August 23rd 1950

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goes on to say that sightings of these

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unexplained objects near not only Los

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Alamos but another facility called

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Sandia Labs in my hometown of

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Albuquerque had occurred from the

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government's point of view with alarming

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frequency in the preceding year and a

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the importance of this memo in my view

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is that the descriptions of the objects

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are described in some detail the first

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category or the so-called green

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fireballs objects moving at high speed

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in shapes resembling half moons circles

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and discs emitting green light we now

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know from documents really

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via the FOI a from both the air force

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the FBI and I believe there's even a CIA

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memorandum or two regarding these green

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fireballs it was clear to the observers

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these objects were under intelligent

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they were artificial they were described

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as performing maneuvers we know also

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that the Air Force as a result of his

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ongoing incursions at Los Alamos and

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Sandia and a third site called the Drona

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Blanc anyway in a nuclear weapons

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storage Depot in Texas that these

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objects quite clearly were distinctly

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sighted around nuclear weapons through

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facilities they were not distributed

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randomly the sightings were not

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distributed around the globe as one

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would expect from natural phenomena such

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as meteors now dr. Lincoln la Paz of the

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University of New Mexico was secretly

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contracted by the Air Force to study

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this phenomenon his conclusion in the

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Declassified files was that indeed

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because the majority of the observers

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saw these objects perform maneuvers they

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were clearly not meteors or meteorites

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dr. La Paz said that in his view this

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could have been a Russian development

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based on captured German technology at

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the end of World War two and that indeed

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the Soviets may be sending these objects

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into American airspace to spy on our

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nuclear weapons program dr. La Paz

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further said that if this were not the

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case that these could be top-secret

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projects from our own government whose

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classification level exceeded the

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persons who were investigating them well

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over the past 50 years or so no evidence

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has emerged to support either of these

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hypotheses next slide please

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the second category of objects were

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described as discs round flat shaped

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objects or phenomena moving at high

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velocity fast velocity

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emitting a brilliant white light or

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reflected light so what you have here is

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your classic flaw

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disk flying saucer something the

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Pentagon wants very badly for you to

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believe does not exist if one looks at

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the history of public relations

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announcements by the Pentagon since the

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1940s to the present day one will find

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that the Pentagon has consistently

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dismissed these objects as illusions as

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misidentified manmade aircraft hoaxes

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and the like and yet if you look beyond

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this Public Relation smokescreen that

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has been directed at us for 60-some

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years and look at the actual documents

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that have been just released through the

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Freedom of Information Act you find

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repeated references to flying discs

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flying saucers something your government

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government wants very badly for you to

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believe do not exist next slide please

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this particular FBI memorandum concludes

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by saying since 1948 approximately 150

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observations of aerial phenomena

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referred to above have been recorded

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reported rather in the vicinity of these

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atomic installations in New Mexico other

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documents too numerous for me to show

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you in this type of program indicate

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that the Hanford Site in Washington

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state a plutonium production facility

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was also a focal point of these UFO

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incursions as was the Oak Ridge National

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Laboratory and Tennessee which produced

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both plutonium and uranium for these

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weapons the other documents described in

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nuclear weapons tests in general

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including atmospheric testing in Nevada

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and the Pacific so what I can

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demonstrate and document thoroughly

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there's a handout in the room across

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from the coffee urns that has some links

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that you will find useful if this topic

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is of interest to you what I can

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document beyond doubt is that the US

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government has been covertly collecting

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data on the UFO phenomenon since the

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summer of 1947 if not earlier the data

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include radar data which are impure

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not anecdotal the majority of the data

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that I possess and I have investigated

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however involved sighting reports by

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military pilots who when sent to chase

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these uncorrelated targets as they're

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called unknown targets saw if they were

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fortunate enough to get closed disc

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shaped craft spheres this triangular

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shaped craft clearly not fixed-wing

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aircraft and if this were not enough to

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alarm the powers-that-be it's clear that

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by December of 1948 whoever were flying

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these craft which by the way we're

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capable of traveling thousands of miles

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per hour instantaneously stopping in

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involving multiple radars if all of this

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December of 1948 these unknown craft

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whatever their origin whatever the

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intention of those flying them seemed to

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security program nuclear weapons next

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moving on to the decade of 1960s this is

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an FBI or excuse me an Air Force report

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from Fe Warren Air Force Base relating

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31st August 1st of 1965 where multiple

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missile sites what are called launch

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tri-state state region of Colorado

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Nebraska and Wyoming crews at the site

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the type type of objects being reported

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were actually formation flights of

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various configurations and this went on

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of the former Minutemen launch officers

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who were present for this incident their

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reporting is appears in my book UFOs and

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nukes however anyone who writes to me at

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my website the email addresses of my

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website I will provide you excerpts from

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my book at nauseam so you don't have to

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further along this documents describes

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the nature of the observers which again

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were Minuteman personnel the actual

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launch officers are 60 feet underground

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they could not visually see what was

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being reported to them by their guards

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at ground level as you'll see in my tape

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recorded conversations with these

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persons they unanimously said at various

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sites scattered across several hundred

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square miles that the personnel up at

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ground level the security people were

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scared to the point of trembling or

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frightened beyond belief at what they

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were observing and were frantically

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reporting these objects maneuvering

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this is an Air Force letter released via

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the Freedom of Information Act it was

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sent to my associate the late Todd's

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eckle who researched the CIA's

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involvement in all of this what you're

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about to see in this letter next slide

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please are verbatim excerpts from what

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are called NORAD logs commanders logs

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detailing incursions of UFOs at various

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missile sites outside of another Air

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Force Base Malmstrom Air Force Base in

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Great Falls Montana and the next slide

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flooding in from security personnel

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located at various launched facilities

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or launch control facilities the first

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entry says quote received a call from

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the 340 first Strategic Air Command post

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saying that the MOPP following missile

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locations reported seeing a law

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large red to orange to yellow object it

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then lists the missile sites by their

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coded designations next slide please

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again these are coming in sequentially

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sac Strategic Air Command advised the

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launch control facility at harlot in

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Montana observed an object which emitted

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a light which illuminated the site

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driveway the next entry sac advise

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missile site k1 says very bright object

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to their East is now southeast of them

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and they're looking at it with

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binoculars object seems to have lights

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several on it but no distinct pattern

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the orange gold object overhead also has

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small lights on it next slide please

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missile site l1 reports that the object

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to their northeast seems to be issuing a

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black object from it tubular in shape in

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all this time surveillance meaning radar

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has not been able to detect any sort of

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trap track except for known traffic in

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other words you have this rash of calls

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from widely separated locations by

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security personnel describing these very

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strange objects by the way refer to as

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objects because they have no clue what

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they're looking at and indicating that

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they were hovering near their sites

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you'll see the reference to surveillance

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that's radar next slide please you'll

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see that radar ultimately does pick up

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the objects

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let's see nope that's the next one

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another camper team that's the security

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team reporting a UFO I've just got my

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five minute card so let's move ahead

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next slide here you have finally hi

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finder radar confirming the presence of

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these objects in the sky you can see a

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reference to stationary that is hovering

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subsequently moving around at

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seven-night knots above these sites next

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slide please

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here you have a reference to jets being

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launched to chase these objects once

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their reality their physical presence

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have been confirmed by radar next slide

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please

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you have another reference to this

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object maneuvering and again racing

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skyward at enormous velocity moments

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earlier their hovering or moving around

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at just a few miles per hour now one of

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them

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is racing skyward next slide please

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clearly these are not conventional

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aircraft you have another reference to

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an object being tracked as it maneuvered

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between two and four thousand feet

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confirming that these phenomena were not

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high up in space such as meteors or in

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the atmosphere but indeed high up in the

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atmosphere such as the aurora borealis

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but indeed were craft maneuvering quite

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near the ground next slide please

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here you have the most important

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reference in my view because the object

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was close enough to the security

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personnel that they could determine it's

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disc shape so to run this point

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thoroughly in the ground if you look at

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the Pentagon's

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take on all this none of this ever

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happened disc shaped craft do not exist

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and yet if you looked at the documents

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reporting these incidents quite clearly

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that is not true next slide please

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in September September 27th of 2010 I

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held a press conference in the National

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Press Club in Washington DC

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CNN streamed it live in the handout

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across the hall there is a link to that

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entire 63 minute presentation with it

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with me during that presentation were

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seven retired Air Force officers

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describing incidents such as the ones

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I've been reporting including incidents

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where disc shaped craft hovered over

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nuclear missiles and suddenly the

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missiles malfunction other reports from

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the former Soviet Union confirmed that

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this went on in the former Soviet Union

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as well at their nuclear weapons sites

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next slide please

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now there's a group that has a different

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point of view you can read their names

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and acronyms they publish a magazine

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called skeptical inquirer the editor

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Kendrick C Frazier next slide please

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has made his position on all of this

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quite clear he thinks that best what

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I've told you today is an exaggeration

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what this magazine never tells its

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readers or the public at large in

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addition to being a science writer mr.

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Frazier for 20-some years he was writing

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publishing this magazine editing I

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should say had a day job next slide

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please

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he was a public relations specialist for

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the US government's nuclear weapons

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program at Sandia Labs

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another leading member of this group

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James Oberg supposedly a skeptic

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quote/unquote when one of my sources

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leaked a classified top-secret incident

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to the media in the early 80s this James

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Oberg wrote to him to chastise him for

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releasing classified UFO data so

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publicly

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he's a UFO skeptic skeptics say UFOs

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don't exist and yet if you look behind

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the scenes at what went on you have

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pressure applied against this person who

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broke classification and published this

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one incident next slide please

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there are true skeptics this is a

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dr. Bernard Hesh an astronomer has put

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up what I think is truly a skeptic how

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the definition of a skeptic quite

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clearly what you find in the scientific

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community as a whole are not skeptics

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but persons with all due respect to

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their expertise in this field know

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nothing about it you know ever never

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have heard of James McDonald and in fact

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are ignoring as he said a port a matter

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of extraordinary importance questions

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thank you for a very interesting

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presentation

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I'm John Kinnaman thank you for a very

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interesting talk I'm neither a skeptic

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nor do I have any way of helping or

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confirming any of this but I wanted to

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make a comment because I'm really

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interested in the entire discussion of

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UFOs and something that's puzzled me

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from the beginning is why we use the

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acronym UFO now I worked in the federal

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government for 27 years and one of the

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things that we're extremely good at is

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inventing TLA S which are three-letter

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acronyms and clearly UFO is unidentified

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flying object which is used for anything

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that we don't know what it is

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could be an airplane it could be a beach

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ball it could be an alien craft I'm

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surprised that the people researching

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this topic are using that that

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three-letter acronym to refer to what

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they believe or alien craft why not use

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a different term that'll clarify that

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and sort of separate the discussion of

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things we don't know from the things

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that you're presuming let me cut to the

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chase due to lack of time other persons

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have used other acronyms anomalous

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aerial phenomena unidentified aerial

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phenomena the documents themselves

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however refer to UFOs for many many

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decades that in fact was coined by

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Project Blue Book and I use it because

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it is referenced in the documents I

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think it goes without saying that 95% of

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UFO sighting reports would have prosaic

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explanations if indeed they were

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investigated but this is separating the

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wheat from the chaff when you look at

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what the military is concerned about

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what they've lied to the American public

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and the rest of the world for 60 some

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years now about our incidents involving

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craft clearly craf of symmetrical

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designs discs discs spheres and so on

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not fixed-wing aircraft that not only

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can run rings around our own aircraft

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but seem to have an interest in our

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nuclear weapons I use that term for

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those reasons

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yes sir Unicron in June of 1980

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I observed together with about 30 other

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people flying object with what which was

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in my estimation about 30 meters in

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diameter it was a meeting for streams of

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glowing gases and it changed the

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reaction of its is the reaction on 90

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degrees and then speed up with

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absolutely incredible speed so that your

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eye even couldn't register how fast it

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is it was the place near to Instituto

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which is equivalent of MIT here so the

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aircraft was flying next to it and pilot

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reported to the personnel at the airport

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that he sees UFO it was of course

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dismissed and next day was published

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article how you know deceiving this

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phenomenon can be and it this of course

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not you for very familiar story thank

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you sir next please by named Olga proud

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knee which is suburb of Moscow and in

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the progeny that Institute of which I

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said I don't know how to translate it

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exactly it's a equivalent of MIT in

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Russia

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York Dobyns a few years ago I acquired a

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security clearance for reasons having

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absolutely nothing to do with UFOs but

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when I was granted clearance people went

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to great lengths to make clear to me the

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absolutely draconian legal penalties

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that apply to anybody who reveals

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classified information

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so I find it rather puzzling that the

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UFO research literature is absolutely

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filled with stories about classified

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doctor documents being released without

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authorization here there and everywhere

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the cover-up is apparently leaking like

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a sieve and yet nobody is getting

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hammered for these highly illegal

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they're actually phenol felonies with

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many years of jail time as the usual

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penalty two points first as with citing

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reports themselves one has to separate

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the wheat from the chaff if one goes on

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the internet and reads about quote

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declassified documents or inside

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government documents about UFOs one has

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to realize that there are credible

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documents that have a provenance they

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have been released via the Freedom of

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Information Act the majority of things I

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have read on the majority of websites

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however do not have such provenance

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there are in fact some fabrications

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which I helped expose in 1983 that were

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being documents being forged by what

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it's called OSI Office of Special

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Investigations at Kirtland Air Force

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Base I won't bore you with the details

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so one has to be selective in terms of

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analyzing or finding for oneself the

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provenance of this document or that

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document everything I presented to you

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has come directly from the agencies and

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departments involved furthermore the

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persons the seven gentlemen who appeared

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with me at the National Press Club in

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September of 2010 again the handout

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across the hall has the link to the 63

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minute video of these gentlemen all of

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them were told in no uncertain terms

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that they would not discuss the

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incidents they were too involved in many

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of them waited 30 and 40 years before

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they felt comfortable going public each

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and every one of them have told

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they didn't know if they were going to

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get a knock on the door after they first

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just agreed to be interviewed by me over

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a several year period so they did not

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take lightly what they were doing in

560
00:26:10,289 --> 00:26:08,070
terms of violating security these are

561
00:26:12,299 --> 00:26:10,299
technical violations of national

562
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:12,309
security because these persons were

563
00:26:16,859 --> 00:26:14,590
either required to sign what are called

564
00:26:21,229 --> 00:26:16,869
written national security non-disclosure

565
00:26:23,849 --> 00:26:21,239
statements and or given oral

566
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:23,859
admonishments never discusses not even

567
00:26:27,899 --> 00:26:25,690
among the two-man crews the missile

568
00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:27,909
crews and yet as I do they

569
00:26:32,129 --> 00:26:29,799
philosophically believe the American

570
00:26:34,619 --> 00:26:32,139
public has does deserves to know the

571
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:34,629
facts after this many years and so they

572
00:26:39,749 --> 00:26:36,940
have stuck their necks out there all of

573
00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:39,759
these people were literally the persons

574
00:26:43,349 --> 00:26:41,320
who would have launched World War three

575
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:43,359
had we gone to war with the Soviets they

576
00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:45,070
were to turn the keys and launch their

577
00:26:48,989 --> 00:26:47,080
missiles they're not flakes they're not

578
00:26:51,389 --> 00:26:48,999
cooks they're backgrounds have been

579
00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:51,399
rigorously vetted and they feel strongly

580
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:54,820
that they need to risk their own persons